Page 1 of Kurt's 1970 Senate Transcript

RIOTS, CIVIL AND CRIMINAL DISORDERS

WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 5, 1970

U.S. SENATE,

PERMANENT SUBCOMMITTEE ON INVESTIGATIONS

OF THE COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS,

Washington, D.C.

TESTIMONY OF DONALD E. SISCO (KURT SAXON)

The CHAIRMAN. Be seated. Mr. Sisco, will you identify yourself for the record ?

Mr. Sisco. Donald Eugene Sisco.

The CHAIRMAN . Where do you live ?

Mr. Sisco. Sir?

The CHAIRMAN. Where do you live ?

Mr. Sisco. Eureka, Calif.

The CHAIRMAN. In what business are you engaged ?

Mr. Sisco. Well, I am unemployed right now.

The CHAIRMAN. What was your last employment ?

Mr. Sisco. My last regular employment was as a proofreader at the Los Angeles Herald-Examiner.

The CHAIRMAN. Are you operating any kind of business ?

Mr. Sisco. Well, I hoped to but it did not quite get off the ground.

The CHAIRMAN. I beg your pardon?

Mr. Sisco. I hoped to but it did not quite get off the ground. But I put out a "Militants' Formulary and I have several copies, if you would like to have them.

The CHAIRMAN. Yes; we will accept one of them. Let it be received. Let us see a copy of it. Mr. Sisco, this publication, the "Militants' Formulary," is a publication put out by you ?

Mr. Sisco. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Do you have a company name for your publishing enterprise?

Mr. Sisco. It is not really a publishing enterprise. I just published one book. But I started the formula business and I called it Atlan Formularies. It is described in the back of the book after page 22.

The CHAIRMAN. Did you also publish another book entitled "Explosives Like Grandad Used to Make" ?

Mr. Sisco. Yes; I did. I have it right here. It is a compilation of old formulas and processes for making explosives. Well, it is taken out of three different formula books. The first one is Dick's "Encyclopedia of Practical Recipes and Processes," put out in 1872. The second is a British edition put out in 1922. The third is another British edition, "The Techno-Chemical Recipe Book" by H. R. Bayer, London, 1896. This, of course, is a novelty item. It is hardly applicable because most of the terminology is too outdated although in the few books I had left I mimeographed an update of the terms.

The CHAIRMAN. The "Militants' Formulary," the first pamphlet you handed us, is already a part of the committee's record as exhibit 832. So, it will not be necessary to receive it again. The second one that you now present is "Explosives Like Grandad Used to Make." Do we have this as an exhibit here ? It will be received as exhibit No. 841.

The CHAIRMAN. These are the two publications you have put out so far?

Mr. Sisco. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. When did you begin this enterprise ?

Mr. Sisco. I think I put out the first one in 1968; I think the first part of 1968 or the latter part of 1967. I am not completely sure.

The CHAIRMAN. You say the business did not get off the ground, that was your expression, I believe.

Mr. Sisco. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. How many of the first one would you say you have sold or distributed?

Mr. Sisco. I think about 320. I advertised first in the Shotgun News. They ran the ad for five insertions at biweekly intervals. I was doing pretty good, selling about 280 through them.

The CHAIRMAN. About 280 ?

Mr. Sisco. About 280. Then I wrote them back and sent them a cheek and they sent the check back. They said they had too many complaints because—well, I will find the publication that advertised it.

The CHAIRMAN. They had too many complaints about what?

Mr. Sisco. Well, this is the Shotgun News, and the ad read, it was on the front page, the most prominent ad:

"The Militants' Formulary, how they make their tear gas, bombs, delayed fuse, fire bombs," their source of supply, et cetera. ''Of interest to lawmen and concerned citizens, two dollars", and the address.

Evidently they got a great many complaints from the gun dealers who didn't want their gun hobby misconstrued with militancy.

The CHAIRMAN. The people who support the Shotgun News, or whatever it is, that publication, objected to running the kind of ad that you published about these militants' weapons. They objected to its being published and the publication refused thereafter to take further advertising from you ?

Mr. Sisco. Yes, they did.

The CHAIRMAN. What did these pamphlets sell for ?

Mr. Sisco. Two dollars.

The CHAIRMAN. Two dollars for this?

Mr. Sisco. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. What did the other one sell for, the larger one that you presented here, "Explosives Like Granddad Used to Make" ?

Mr. Sisco. Twb dollars, also.

The CHAIRMAN. How many of these would you say you have distributed ?

Mr. Sisco. I put an ad in the Free Press; I sold about 12. I figured they are not selling at all so I dribbled them away; I just gave them away by the dozens. Since I put out that book, I have gotten several sales from people who bought the Formulary. I would say about 20.

The CHAIRMAN. Altogether, about 300 have been sold of one, the first one here, and about 20 of the other ?

Mr. Sisco. Yes, I would say—by me. The Adobe Hacienda ordered 25 at a dollar apiece. They were ordering them from Angriff Press, before the Angriff Press ran out of them.

The CHAIRMAN. Since you are the author. I assume you would know about how many have been sold and distributed together.

Mr. Sisco. You see, sir, there were 1.350 printed. I got 300. There was a little mix-up deal whereby I did not get any more than 350. So, that is what I was left with. Whatever happened to the other thousand or who they were sold to or how they were distributed is something I don't have a way of knowing. I do know that the Adobe Hacienda sold several.

The CHAIRMAN. There were 1,350 printed ?

Mr. Sisco. Yes. Well, 1,350.

The CHAIRMAN. Now the larger book. How many were printed ?

Mr. Sisco. That is what I am talking about.

The CHAIRMAN. 1,350 of this exhibit No. 841 were printed and you got 300 of them?

Mr. Sisco. Yes.

The CHAIRMAN. You sold about 20 altogether?

Mr. Sisco. Yes.

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