Page 7 of Kurt's 1970 Senate Transcript
Senator PERCY. In other words, you are interested in making certain, you try to get them into what you might call the right hands ?
Mr. Sisco. Yes. I wanted first—now, people can make a lot of what you said and it is not quite accurate, but I wanted to see who is buying them.
Senator PERCY. I was paraphrasing what you said. You would like to get your publications in the hands of every rightwing organization ?
Mr. Sisco. Yes; but liking to and being able to is another matter. So, I am just stopping it. It is not worth the trouble. I wanted to see who would advertise and if I got an advertisement in their publication, who would buy.
I tried the Free Press. That is a completely vile place. They sent me a love letter saying they didn't advertise bombs and killing stuff but they advocate it through all of their articles.
Then I put an ad in the Berkeley Barb for 4 weeks. The first week it was advertised for $2.50. I did not get one order. The next 3 weeks I don't think—well, I didn't have it coded in any way so it could have been—but I don't think I got more than five orders from the Berkeley Barb.
I was told by militants I know, on the left, that I should have put it in the Berkeley Tribe because they do buy things like that. Since I don't care to have it in the left anyway, I did not advertise in the Tribe I just wanted to make a spot sampling of who did what.
Senator PERCY. So, you do have quite an ideological interest, then, into where this goes ?
Mr. Sisco. The thing is that the leftists are trying to pull down the country. If they succeed then the rightists will destroy the leftists. But the rightists aren't going to do anything until the leftists have the Government down. By that time, there won't be any laws to violate.
Senator PERCY. We have testimony before this committee that the initial bombings and the wave of bombings that have been going on are really started by the Minutemen on the right.
What was the intention and purpose of the Minutemen in starting bombings ? What were they trying to accomplish by those bombings ?'
Mr. Sisco. I was a member about 1965. I only knew a few Minutemen and I dropped out after about 6 months paying dues and getting nothing for it. Since then—well, I take just about anything about the Minutemen with a grain of salt because I think they are, well, a paper organization. All these stories about Minutemen. I think they put the label "Minutemen" to give it a sensational thing and sell more papers. But my experience with Minutemen has been they are sort of lonely types, psychotic.
Senator PERCY. If you would like to see this information on how to make explosives get into the rightwing, what is it you would like to see them explode? What are they trying to blow up and what are they trying to prove by doing this? What are they trying to accomplish?
Mr. Sisco. Actually, the rightists do more sitting and waiting because the police get between us and the leftists. So, until the leftists get rid of the police, we can't effectively get at the leftists, so we are just waiting and squirreling away things. Of course, most of the rightists squirrel away guns.
Senator PERCY. Of course, the purpose is to try to terrorize and, you might say, intimidate, but maybe you would say reform, the far left ?
Mr. Sisco. No, sir; destroy it.
Senator PERCY. You think the far left is a dangerous element in American society ?
Mr. Sisco. Yes.
Senator PERCY. You feel that law enforcement is not effective in dealing with it; is that right ?
Mr. Sisco. I feel that it is not effective. In fact, an article in this latest magazine shows that it is not effective. It shows how—now, this is the August 3 edition of U.S. News and World Report. It tells how during these 15 months Mr. Hickel noted so-and-so, 4,330 explosives
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Senator PERCY. In other words, you are interested in making certain, you try to get them into what you might call the right hands ?
Mr. Sisco. Yes. I wanted first—now, people can make a lot of what you said and it is not quite accurate, but I wanted to see who is buying them.
Senator PERCY. I was paraphrasing what you said. You would like to get your publications in the hands of every rightwing organization ?
Mr. Sisco. Yes; but liking to and being able to is another matter. So, I am just stopping it. It is not worth the trouble. I wanted to see who would advertise and if I got an advertisement in their publication, who would buy.
I tried the Free Press. That is a completely vile place. They sent me a love letter saying they didn't advertise bombs and killing stuff but they advocate it through all of their articles.
Then I put an ad in the Berkeley Barb for 4 weeks. The first week it was advertised for $2.50. I did not get one order. The next 3 weeks I don't think—well, I didn't have it coded in any way so it could have been—but I don't think I got more than five orders from the Berkeley Barb.
I was told by militants I know, on the left, that I should have put it in the Berkeley Tribe because they do buy things like that. Since I don't care to have it in the left anyway, I did not advertise in the Tribe I just wanted to make a spot sampling of who did what.
Senator PERCY. So, you do have quite an ideological interest, then, into where this goes ?
Mr. Sisco. The thing is that the leftists are trying to pull down the country. If they succeed then the rightists will destroy the leftists. But the rightists aren't going to do anything until the leftists have the Government down. By that time, there won't be any laws to violate.
Senator PERCY. We have testimony before this committee that the initial bombings and the wave of bombings that have been going on are really started by the Minutemen on the right.
What was the intention and purpose of the Minutemen in starting bombings ? What were they trying to accomplish by those bombings ?'
Mr. Sisco. I was a member about 1965. I only knew a few Minutemen and I dropped out after about 6 months paying dues and getting nothing for it. Since then—well, I take just about anything about the Minutemen with a grain of salt because I think they are, well, a paper organization. All these stories about Minutemen. I think they put the label "Minutemen" to give it a sensational thing and sell more papers. But my experience with Minutemen has been they are sort of lonely types, psychotic.
Senator PERCY. If you would like to see this information on how to make explosives get into the rightwing, what is it you would like to see them explode? What are they trying to blow up and what are they trying to prove by doing this? What are they trying to accomplish?
Mr. Sisco. Actually, the rightists do more sitting and waiting because the police get between us and the leftists. So, until the leftists get rid of the police, we can't effectively get at the leftists, so we are just waiting and squirreling away things. Of course, most of the rightists squirrel away guns.
Senator PERCY. Of course, the purpose is to try to terrorize and, you might say, intimidate, but maybe you would say reform, the far left ?
Mr. Sisco. No, sir; destroy it.
Senator PERCY. You think the far left is a dangerous element in American society ?
Mr. Sisco. Yes.
Senator PERCY. You feel that law enforcement is not effective in dealing with it; is that right ?
Mr. Sisco. I feel that it is not effective. In fact, an article in this latest magazine shows that it is not effective. It shows how—now, this is the August 3 edition of U.S. News and World Report. It tells how during these 15 months Mr. Hickel noted so-and-so, 4,330 explosives
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