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county all day so I would not assassinate Reagan.
I voted for the man; I don't want to kill him. They don't understand these
things.
But they had all kinds of hippies running loose
in Eureka. They should have collared them because they hate Reagan.
Senator GURNEY. How do you propose to train the police
in bombs and explosives ?
Mr. Sisco. I am not going to train them. I will
put the book up for sale. If they want to buy it, fine.
Senator GURNEY. Have you had any substantial sales to
police departments yet ?
Mr. Sisco. I don't have a name list. Of course,
I can send a flier to the big towns, their chief of police.
Senator GURNEY. Have you found any pickup of interest
?
Mr. Sisco. No; I haven't sent out the fliers. You
see, I am new at this. I put the ad in the Shotgun News and that was it.
The ad petered out. Since then, I have been just fooling around.
Senator GURNEY. Have you had any dealings with any of
the Klans, Mr. Sisco, in your work ?
Mr. Sisco. I think I knew one person who said he
was a Klansman. I have seen a few Klansmen in robes around Hollywood but
as far as being closely tied with them or knowing anything about them,
I don't have too much of a good opinion about them. I don't like their
uniforms. I think they look real sloppy.
Senator GURNEY. You haven't discovered that they have
any great interest in your publications yet ?
Mr. Sisco. They haven't shown any. They don't write
me letters, "I am a Klansman. I want to kill; send me your book."
Senator GURNEY. In the foreword to the "Militant's Formulary,"
you have a quotation from a Col. Rex Applegate.
Mr. Sisco. I have a letter from him; yes.
Senator GURNEY. I am curious about this portion of the
statement and I read from his quotation in the foreward:
"He does not consider radical groups such as the Students
for a Democratic Society as a real threat in comparison with the new element
he is probing," new element, I guess, being these pyrotechniques.
Is that your opinion, that the Students for a Democratic
Society are harmless?
Mr. Sisco. That is not my opinion. That is his.
They should be destroyed to the last.
Senator GURNEY. You differ from him on that?
Mr. Sisco. Oh, definitely; absolutely. I even brought
the magazine that I took that quote from. I corresponded with Colonel Applegate;
in fact, he sent me an order for my book.
Senator GURNEY. Have you had any experience with the SDS
?
Mr. Sisco. Well, I think I poked one of them in
the mouth at a demonstration once. But, as far as cooperating with them,
no.
Senator GURNEY. You have never been a member of this organization
?
Mr. Sisco. No; that is on the left.
Senator GURNEY. Have you ever tried to infiltrate it ?
Mr. Sisco. No; I am not concerned with infiltrating.
Senator GURNEY. Why do you think they are a real threat
to society ?
Mr. Sisco. Well, they look putrid; they smell bad;
they hate me and they burn American flags. I could give you three or four
reasons. They are generally obnoxious. I see no reasons for their existence.
Senator GURNEY. How, about bombing and terrorism? Have
they engaged in that at all ?
Mr. Sisco. I am sure of it; definitely. There is
no doubt about it. That article tells about the SDS—well, it does not tell
too much about the SDS.
I got one good article on them. Here it is: "Americans
in Cuba are being trained as human missiles to destory the United States",
and this concerns the Weatherman faction of the SDS. It has Jerry Rubin,
a complete creep, and tells about all of these people, you know, the people
who had that, they blew out that building; they had all gone to Cuba and
most of the Weathermen and most of the bombing types have been to Cuba
cutting sugarcane, so they say.
I know it is a little harder for creeps like that
to cut sugarcane. I doubt if they cut anything but fuses and stuff in their
training.
Senator GURNEY. Again referring to Colonel Applegate here,
he says the present threat he believes comes from dangerous pyrotechnicians.
Mr. Sisco. Yes.
Senator GURNEY (reading): "A little known and almost entirely
unpublicized group of fanatics who are capable of flooding the country
with explosives and incendiaries."
Could you go into more detail who these dangerous pyrotechnicians
are?
Mr. Sisco. They are not dangerous pyrotechnicians.
A pyrotechnician is a person who is interested in display fireworks or
Fourth of July and things like that.
Senator GURNEY. Is that who he is referring to ?
Mr. Sisco. Yes; that is who he is referring to.
He is dead wrong. He sent me a letter concerning
that. He clarified and he said that the article misquoted him in certain
ways. In fact, the letter is right in front of you. Evidently he was off
on the wrong track.
In my book, I explained that putting light on these
different pyrotechnic organizations, militants of both sides would infiltrate
their ranks and get their information where they could not get it at other
places.
Senator GURNEY. Would you say your publication was more
dangerous than the pyrotechnicians ?
Mr. Sisco. Definitely. Yes; in that context.
Senator GURNEY. I don't have any further questions.
Senator PERCY. I have one further question, Mr. Chairman,
and that is all.
The CHAIRMAN. All right.
Senator PERCY. Have you given any lectures or demonstrations
pursuant to your publications and the information that they contain?
Mr. Sisco. No.
Senator PERCY. You have never lectured to any groups?
Mr. Sisco. No; never.
Senator PERCY. Met with any groups to demonstrate at all
?
